Wiggin Sessions

Surviving and Thriving The Post-Pandemic Economy 2021, Episode 59

Featuring Ray Blanco

Addison Wiggin

Hosted By:

Addison Wiggin

The Wiggin Sessions, conceived during the COVID-19 pandemic and tornado warning in Baltimore, Maryland. Addison started interviewing key thinkers on Politics, Science, Economics, Philosophy and History to find out how their ideas impact financial markets and our financial lives. Key thinkers include Jim Rickards, Bill Bonner, George Gilder, James Altucher and over 50 others.

In 2020, he launched a new project called Consilience, which is an enlightenment era term that means “the unity of knowledge”. He is the co-author of the New York Times best-selling books Financial Reckoning Day and Empire of Debt, as well as The Demise of the Dollar and The Little Book of the Shrinking Dollar. Addison is the writer and executive producer of the documentary I.O.U.S.A., an expose of the national debt, shortlisted for an Academy Award in 2008.

Ray Blanco

Featuring:

Ray Blanco

Ray Blanco, science advisor to Saint Paul Research and editor of Technology Profits Confidential and Ray Blanco’s Catalyst Trader where he breaks down the science and investments in technology and biotechnology companies. Ray covers semiconductors, software, cloud computing, mobile computing, cancer therapies, and anti-aging science, to name just a few.

“Delta’s Plateau”

Addison:

Hi, and welcome to The Wiggin Sessions. I'm your host Addison Wiggin. Today, we have our science advisor, Ray Blanco. He's joining us once again. Welcome, Ray. It's good to see you.

Ray:

Great to be here, Addison. Always a pleasure doing these sessions with you.

Addison:

How's it going down there? You're in Florida, right?

Ray:

Well, it's hot, it's muggy, and we've had a lot of rain the last few days. Good for the mosquitoes. Not so good for us, yeah.

Addison:

Let's get started. I want to do a quick overview or catch up with you on the pandemic itself. Since we last talked, we've had the emergence of the Delta variant, kids have gone back to school and there's been a debate about whether they should be wearing a mask is a big freaking political nightmare all over again. Whether they work or not doesn't seem to really matter. And then also, we have new mandates from the president just this past week about... Or at least proposals. It hasn't been passed yet. But companies under over 100 employees will have to get the vaccine or get tested regularly. So I want to get your idea or your reaction to a presidential mandate, which sounds insane to me in a democracy. Wait, one more thing. Ivermectin keeps popping up in these podcasts and things that I listen to and stuff that I read. I want to get your opinion on ivermectin. So let's get started. Just why don't you bring me up to date on your views on the Delta variant and the possibility of another winter surge in the virus.

Ray:

All right. The United States is a huge country. Things can be very different from one place to the next. Florida's been in the news over the last month or two. We had a really bad surge with Delta taking over. That seems to be firmly in the rear view. I'm looking right now at our seven day moving average. We peaked here a good three weeks ago. We plateaued and our case has been falling. Nationally, the cases have been falling. Kind of weird because we didn't see this kind of a peak in a lot of Northern states like we've seen in Florida. It's been a Southeastern phenomenon, although cases have ticked up elsewhere.

Are we over Delta? I think it depends, to a large extent, on where you live. Here in Florida, like I told you, it's hot, it's muggy, it's rainy. The way you guys live in winter up North, we live like that in summer down here. We tend to stay indoors where it's air conditioned and comfortable. That might have something to do with the fact that states like mine have seen a lot more COVID-19 over the last couple of months than some of the Northern states have. Again, not a certainty, but a very strong possibility.

So it's possible that states like mine have peaked, but other states up North in the Northeast where it gets colder now, it's going to start getting cooler, people will start going indoors more. We might see an uptick there. None of this is for certain. Yogi Berra once said, predicting is really hard, especially about the future. So I'm cautiously optimistic that we've peaked on a national level, but we could still see some regional flare ups and especially in areas that haven't gotten hit that hard. We've had parts of the world that didn't get hit that hard in previous waves, and now they're getting slammed. Southeast Asia is really having a hard time dealing with the Delta variant. Cases are just going through the moon there. Nationally, I think the peak is behind us, but we still could see some parts of the country where you'll see cases accelerate.

Addison:

Yeah, it seems like we've entered into this holding pattern where everyone's just used to the pandemic and they're just dealing with mask mandates and the kind of level. At least here in Maryland, people have just developed a routine that deals with the pandemic. It seems like a forever pandemic. Do you see any new variants? We heard about the MU variant, the variant that was in England a couple of weeks ago.

Ray:

So that was first identified in Colombia. I think nationally, it's about 1% of cases, if that. They say it may have some escape mechanisms from our current batch of vaccines. Honestly, it doesn't look that bad yet. It's a variant of interest, not of concern. It's still wait-and-see mode about whether we're going to get another wave of MU. I feel like we're not, I feel like Delta, once it's done tearing through the system, it may be the last big wave. We'll see. But that doesn't mean we're rid of this thing. We're probably going to have to live with it like we live with the flu every year. It's going to be endemic. There's going to be new variants every year. It's going to be a dull roar, rather than this acute situation.

Addison:

Yeah. We've learned how to deal with the flu. It seems to me that you should be able to move into life as normal and just deal with the coronavirus as we do with other things. So let's talk about the mandate to get vaccines, or even a mask mandate. Those are two political hot buttons. Personally, I'm vaccinated, my wife is vaccinated, my kids are vaccinated. We made that choice on our own and I do think that it should be a personal choice. It should be up to the family to decide. It shouldn't be mandated by counties, states, or the federal government. And yet, here we go. It's like a power grab for the federal government to mandate what people do with their own health choices. That seems very reckless. Especially if the legislature in the federal government or in each of the states goes along with it, that's a very dangerous trend in my view.

Ray:

Well, I live in the wonderful state of Florida, one more time. A lot of the stuff we thought was real and true hasn't held up to the cold, hard light of reality. So for example, I interviewed Peter Chai out of the University of Tennessee, the inventor of the N-95 mask. And he showed solid laboratory data of how well the N-95 blocked these airborne particles that could carry the virus, aerosols and so on. He also showed how an ordinary surgical or cloth mask, not as good as an N-95, but it does block X percentage, which, it's a numbers game. So that's the lab. And then there's the real world where we're all walking around, interacting, touching our masks, moving them around. There's air gaps everywhere. You're touching your face. You're putting it on, you're taking it off. And there's been real world studies showing it doesn't make much of a difference.

Addison:

I like this scenario. We went out to lunch yesterday and we were walking on the street, no masks. And there's no outdoor mask mandate in Maryland, but there is an indoor mask mandate. So we put the mask on, walked through the door, and then we sat down at the table that's right next to the door and then took our masks off. They won't let you get in the door unless you put the mask on. But as soon as you're inside, you take the mask off. It doesn't seem to make much difference at all.

Ray:

The arbitrariness of things invites a total disrespect for our institutions, authority, the law, and all this kind of stuff. It's been a real problem. It's been extremely politicized. And then we've got the mandate that you mentioned. It's really politicized this issue. I don't think it's going to be very helpful. If the President's goal is to get more people vaccinated, this is just going to harden opposition to vaccination. Americans, constitutionally, we don't like being told what to do. We've got a certain conception of our... We're an individualistic society. We talk about our declaration and our constitution and how our institutions are supposed to protect our liberties. And here, you've got the chief executive of the federal government saying he's very disappointed in you. Hey, it doesn't work that way, buddy. It's not for you to be disappointed in the people. You work for us. We're the ones that can be disappointed in you if we don't like the job you're doing.

So the mandate, I think, is going to be very counterproductive of... The lawsuits are going to fly. First of all, this is not going to happen right away. OSHA's got to draft, because he's using OSHA to do this. OSHA's got to draft this. The rule doesn't make a whole lot of sense the way he said it. If you have more than 100 employees... I work from home. I'm endangering nobody. What if I have natural immunity? My daughter caught COVID a month and a half ago. What if I've been exposed and I have natural immunity, and I can prove that? Why should I have to be vaccinated? And things like that.

Addison:

Yeah. I was thinking about that too. We live in an information economy. Everyone's been working from home for almost two years now. How are you going to do check ups on people that are working remotely? A lot of people moved out of the cities and they're living in the country suburbs and they don't ever intend to go back into the office, but they might work for a corporation that has a couple thousand people. It's a dumb idea.

Ray:

Last week we took my nine month old son for his checkup and everything. And the nurse practitioner, who's been the person that sees him and my daughter, who's three years old, she's been our family doctor for years now, she says, next time, she might not be there because she is very against taking one of these mRNA vaccines. She doesn't want to take it, and she's willing to quit. What's going to happen if you've got a lot of people that just... Even 10, 20% of people. I just read an article today. There's a hospital in Texas where the CEO of the hospital says he thinks 20, 25% of the people are going to walk. He's going to have to shut the hospital down. And Biden saying, "If you don't comply, we're going to cut off your Medicare and Medicaid money," And this is a poor part of Texas, everybody's on it. It's going to create more problems than it solves.

I don't think it's going to push the vaccination numbers a lot higher over what would happen otherwise. And it's going to create a lot of resentment and anger. Maybe this is just a political ploy to distract from the debacle that was the Afghanistan withdrawal. I don't know. It might be just a cynical political maneuver to change the conversation. But like I said, this thing can't be implemented for a while. Once the rule is written, there's, I think, 75 days before it actually goes into effect. As soon as it's written, they're going to sue the pants off of it. So who knows how long this thing gets held up in court.

By the time this thing gets resolved one way or the other, I think Delta's going to be firmly in the rear view, and we may be back to where we were at the beginning of the summer where we just have a trickle of cases and steady declines. And the vaccines have been imperfect, unfortunately. We had really high hopes for it. The protection is far from perfect. One good thing you can say about it, it does appear to be protective against severe cases of COVID. So there's definitely that in its favor. But a lot of people just constitutionally, they're just... When you tell them, "You gotta do it-"

Addison:

I would put myself in that camp. Like I said, I took the vaccine, my family, we got them all vaccinated. My wife's probably the most likely to be in a high risk category, given her own health history. But that wasn't really the reason. We take vaccines for all kinds of things, whatever. Tetanus, I stepped on a piece of glass a couple of months ago. We take medicine for all kinds of things and we take it in the arm for all kinds of things. So I'm not really opposed to the vaccine itself. But having any kind of government control, it's a personal decision. You can't tell me whether I put something in my arm or not. I think there's a lot of people that are in that camp.

“The Science Behind Ivermectin”

Addison:

So let's move on to ivermectin. Can you explain to me what it is really? Because I've heard different things... It gets called a tranquilizer and it gets used on horses and dogs and things like that. That's the negative, but then people take it as well. We're all animals in some capacity. It's not like a dog is going to react differently than we would. So maybe you could just give me a little bit of the science behind it and then some of the background.

Ray:

Sure. Ivermectin belongs to a class of compounds that was discovered decades ago by Satoshi Ōmura. That's not the Satoshi that invented Bitcoin. This is a different Satoshi. And then another person that did a lot of work with it and perfected it is William Campbell. And both these guys shared a Nobel prize for the discovery of ivermectin, and not because it's good for horses. Although, a lot of drugs that are used by humans are using animals. The reason it won a Nobel Prize is because it's very useful in poor, tropical areas of the world to fight off parasitic diseases, for example, like river blindness. People in some parts of Africa live close to rivers, there's a fly that bites them, the fly transmits a worm, and the worm eventually migrates into your eyes and blinds you.

But everything from head lice to ascariasis, other things like that, it's a very powerful drug for that. Well, it's also really useful for your pets and for animals. We give humans antibiotics, we give animals antibiotics, does that mean when you take an antibiotic, you're taking a horse drug? No. There's been a lot of political bologna on both sides of this. Here in Florida, we mentioned mosquitoes. Mosquitoes carry heartworms for dogs. When I had a dog, I used to give him Heartgard, I think it was once a month and that's Ivermectin for dogs, so they don't get heartworms. Stuff like that. Is Ivermectin good for COVID 19? All right.

There have been analogies, there have been meta-analyses, there have been studies, showing that there's a really strong survival difference between people that get Ivermectin, that they have symptomatic COVID 19 and people that don't. What we do not have is the gold standard, a double blinded placebo controlled study, with a placebo control group and an Ivermectin group to compare those things. The FDA does not officially endorse, neither does the CDC because we don't have that gold standard of evidence. We do have a lot of evidence, but not the gold standard for these regulatory bodies here in the United States.

Now, if I had symptomatic COVID 19 and it wasn't looking too good, based on the evidence I've seen, I would get my doctor to prescribe me some Ivermectin stat, okay? That said, the FDA can't officially one way or the other without the level of proof being where it wants it to be. That's where we are right now. You've got people saying you're stupid, you're taking horse paste because some people are buying the veterinary version and then you've got other people saying, why won't we use this, if there's evidence that it works? The situation we have right now is guess what, your doctor could prescribe this off-label if you wanted to, like doctors do for all kinds of other drugs, where it's only officially approved for this, but the doctor believes it can help you with this and under his professional guidance, you will receive this drug to help you with it. Ivermectin has a lot of evidence in its favor that it can help with COVID 19.

Addison:

Let's just be clear though, it's a treatment after you've already been diagnosed. It's not a vaccine. I just wanted to draw that distinction because I think that gets confused too. Don’t go out there and start taking Ivermectin and thinking that they're not going to get it.

Ray:

I wouldn't be taking veterinary products becaus e the level of quality control is obviously not going to be where it is with a human therapeutic. Just want to throw that out there.

Addison:

Just in your research and stuff, is there an investment angle there? If Ivermectin is getting talked about as much as it is, it seems like whoever makes it probably has been a little bit of a boost.

Ray:

I think Merck makes it, I'm not sure.

Addison:

Aneedle at Merck.

Ray:

Yeah. I think it may be generic status. I think Merck's makes a lot and I think they give it away for free in Africa or very cheaply, just as a way to do some social good over there with all the different parasitic infections you have in those tropical areas. I don't see a huge investment angle, honestly, quite right now on it, not without a little bit more analysis.

“Therapeutic Psychedelics”

Addison:

Okay. Let's talk about the changes in your franchise. We're talking to reserve members, so we've made a few changes in the past couple of weeks. If you want to just give us a rundown, they'll hear it from the horse's mouth, no pun intended.

Ray:

We're closing out a couple of services. Breakthrough Technology Alert, which I've had the privilege to be a part of going back to 2009, and FDA Profit Alert. We're closing those out just to start fresh. Right now I'm still the editor of Catalyst Trader and all of our best ideas are going to go there. Our FDA service, it was a lot of catalyst trades based on clinical data, regulatory timelines, those ideas are going to be going in the Catalyst Trader. Our reserve members are still going to get my best ideas.

My best micro, small-cap, moonshot-type of tech and biotech place, that would've been in Breakthrough Technology Alert, the best ones are going to be going in the Catalyst Trader. I'm already talking with you guys. Hopefully we can launch some new product here in the not-too-distant future, give me some more stuff to work with, which I would definitely enjoy. We're in a little bit of a transition, but you'll still be hearing a lot from me here in the coming weeks and months.

Addison:

Okay. That's good. I'm actually a part of it. I think it's a good way forward because we get to go back to the drawing board and reinvent some of the approaches that we take to bioscience and technology. One of them that you had in your portfolio that you sold, I think you sold it maybe in July, was a company called Cybin. You had some interesting anecdotes about Cybin when we were talking right before we got on here. It's an interesting company and I've been in touch with the CEO, his name, Doug Drysdale, and I'm speaking again with him for a Wiggin session next week. Maybe give a little bit of background on Cybin and there's some developments there that you were talking about, in conjunction with Johns Hopkins here in Baltimore.

Ray:

Yeah. Cybin is one of these new psychedelic therapeutic companies and there's a few ones out there. Quality companies like Compass, Mindmed and Cybin. These are powerful drugs. People take them recreationally and they have the psychedelic experience, they can be hallucinatory, they can be revelatory. On a biochemical level, these compounds act like they can reboot your brain. Why will we care about that? Well, they could be powerful therapeutic tools for stuff that we can't treat right now, like treatment-resistant depression, addiction, post-traumatic stress disorder and things like that. They could be very useful. They have already helped a lot of people under controlled circumstances and trials. What I like about Cybin and I think Cybin is special, unlike the other two companies that I've mentioned.

These other companies are largely working with existing compounds. They're doing psilocybin-assisted therapy. and as you know psilocybin is the main active psychoactive compound in the psilocybin mushroom, the magic mushroom. Cybin is developing a library of synthetic psychedelic substances with different properties. The company's lead program is psilocybin lead program, but the delivery method is unique. They have a sublingual, I think it's like a thin film sublingual delivery instead of oral ingestion, which is bit problematic with psilocybin because the amount of time for it to kick in is quite variable and the amount that you actually absorb through your digestive system can also be variable. Obviously when you're giving a prescription, you want to know that something works very consistently. Their sublingual formulation psilocybin, quicker uptake, avoid second pass metabolism, it's a more consistent delivery method than orally, but that's not what I'm most excited about.

Like I said, they're building a library of synthetic psychedelics with different properties. Let's say there's a case for a psychedelic compound that has a very mild effect, but a very long duration, for a certain type of therapy, for some sort of mental illness. Well, they're working on stuff like that. They're working on deuterated versions of psychedelics, which have delivery properties and half life in the body. What if you want something that's fast-acting, works really quick and goes away quickly? You're working on psychedelics that do that and psychedelics with different kinds of subjective, mental state properties and different interactions with your neurotransmitters. Maybe they bind more tightly to one neurotransmitter and more weakly to another.

The nice thing about this, from a commercial perspective, companies like Mindmed and Compass, can patent the actual application of psilocybin and they are and there's an uproar about that by the way, but they can't patent the actual compound itself, the molecule because they didn't invent it, it's been out forever. We discovered it back in the '50s when they were able to extract it from the psilocybin mushroom, but Cybin, with these compounds, does not have that problem. They're patenting left and right, these compounds because they're inventing them and they're building a library of them for future clinical study and they actually have compositional matter patents, which really strengthens their position a great deal.

Addison:

You were saying that, having followed The Grateful Dead myself, when I think of psilocybin, I think of a different kind of use, a more recreational use. I think probably that's what jumps to people's mind whenever you talk about magic mushrooms or that kind of thing, but this is a serious business and the chief science officer came from Johns Hopkins to run the experiments, at Cybin. It's an important development in the field.

Ray:

Top shelf scientific pedigree. As you know, depression's a huge problem. That's an obvious application here and with COVID 19 related depression, it's just getting bigger and bigger, which is something I can get into a little bit in a few minutes if you want.

Addison:

Yeah. Actually, I'm interested in that because we opened up talking about the pandemic and the impact that's happening. I think everyone is aware that depression and loneliness and people stuck in apartments in cities and stuff like that, but they've been going through a tough time. I get around a lot just because I live in a less populated area and I'm probably more fortunate than a lot of people, but I can't imagine having spent 18 months or more isolated from people that you love and that kind of thing. It's got to be really hard for some people.

Ray:

Yeah. We're not wired that way. We're social animals. Seeing somebody on a screen is a very poor substitute with a personal presence. I really do feel bad for people who live in the cities, in small apartments. Maybe single people, I think they're probably getting particularly hit hard by this. Really difficult situation.

“Air Taxis, the “Immortality Code” and More Exciting Recommendations From Ray Blanco’s Catalyst Trader”

Addison:

Okay. Let's move on. I have a number of companies that I want to talk to you about. You're looking into battery energy storage systems. I'd like to get an update on AppleFi; we've been talking about that for a couple years.

Ray:

Absolutely.

Addison:

The Metaverse, I'd like you to jump into that and explain that and then also your latest issue covers Joby Aviation, which I just think is, I don't know, space age for me, but I think it's probably somewhere in the future and even the market opportunities that you identified in your latest issue, it looks like it's a viable business and you seemed excited about it. Let's start off with the battery storage. Elon Musk is behind an operation down in the desert in Texas.

Ray:

Elon Musk, with his giga factories, is really pushing to scale up lithium battery production and the greater the scale, the lower the price, which is great for his cars and a lot of other people are working on that, but there's another application which is grid storage. There's a big push to green, I'm not going to make an argument for or against the whole global warming situation, but the energy economy is definitely moving in this direction. People want renewables, they want solar, they want wind.

Addison:

They want nuclear power too.

Ray:

Yes.

Addison:

I don't know if you noticed, uranium stocks have been skyrocketing.

Ray:

They're going through the moon. We're not going to be able to do this without nuclear energy. Put that to one side. We should be going crazy developing-next generation nuclear technology. There are some really interesting new technologies out there, like the small modular reactor technology being developed by NuScale. Here in a couple of years they're going to start building one in Idaho or Utah. Going back to renewables and best battery energy storage systems. You got solar, you got wind. When the sun isn't shining and the wind isn't blowing, you've got a little bit of a problem with these renewables. You're not generating what you might need, which is why you need a base load. If you want to be clean, nuclear is the cleanest and it's cleaner than solar and it's cleaner than wind in terms of how many units of carbon you add to the atmosphere, per unit of energy that you output. Put that to one side, the way you deal with this is that when there's lots of sun, there's lots of wind, more than you need for your grid, you put it, you store it in your piggy bank. All right? You store it in some sort of energy storage and the battery is the biggest one. There are other ways of doing it, but battery grid-scale, giant battery technology is the way they're doing this. So as we scale, and it's predicted we're going to scale big time here over the next decade, in terms of renewables, there's a huge market opportunity for these battery energy storage companies like Stem, which is working with lidium. Another company is working with zinc, which is really interesting. It's Eos Energy Enterprise (EOSE).

Stem is big. Okay? They've actually gotten more grid-scale batteries out there than Tesla right now. And they got lots of projects coming down the pipe. So they're growing by leaps and bounds. It's a great play. Eos Energy isn't working with lithium, it's working with zinc battery technology. Not the kind of battery technology that would work in your car. Okay? It's heavier. It's a little bit less energy dense, but for grid-scale, it has some definite advantages. It's less prone to catch on fire, which, if you're going to put some battery storage at a data center, in an urban core, Manhattan or something like that, it's propensity to burn is a major consideration under those circumstances. Number two, I expect our lithium supply lines, supply chains will, I expect, be strained for years as the electric automotive boom really gets into gear here.

So the nice thing about this is that you're not tapping into that supply chain for your energy storage batteries. And zinc is cheap and plentiful. So there are some real advantages there also for them. So this is going to be a trillion dollar market here in 10 to 15 years. It's a couple of ways to play it. High-quality companies are growing by leaps and bounds. Lots of opportunities there.

Addison:

All right, Apple-Fi. Give us an update.

Ray:

All right. So everybody was waiting with bated breath yesterday for the Apple announcement. And it was a little bit of a sad trombone at the end. We got a slightly better iPhone and a bunch of new emojis, big deal. So there was a report last month by Ming-Chi Kuo, who is the... you might call him the Apple whisperer. He's got a bunch of people in the Apple supply chain talking to him. So he's a really good bellwether of what Apple might be doing in the future.

So they published in MacRumors and other Apple related websites that Apple was having QualComm build them a special communications chip that was capable of communicating... I believe it's on the S band or L band. I think S bands. Capable of communicating on S bands. "Why would you want to communicate on S band?" Well, hey, there's these two satellite constellations up there. Iridium and Globalstar. Maybe Apple's finally releasing AppleFi, the satellite phone. Right? And these two companies... Iridium used to be in our portfolio. I sold them not too long ago. I kind of kick myself, "Man, what if I did my research?" And I said, "These frequencies don't carry a whole heck of a lot of data. We're not going to have a video call like this with this level of clarity on these bands. Okay? I don't find the rumor very plausible."

I thought to myself, "I think when Apple rolls out satellite phones, it's going to be just mind-blowing. It's going to be amazing. It's not going to be this piddly bandwidth." And maybe you can make an emergency call and I can see the utility in that, but that's not usually Apple's mode of operation. Apple usually goes really big and they really perfect something before they release it to market. So I did not recommend Globalstar. Iridium was out of our portfolio. I didn't see how it would've worked with Iridium anyway, because the bandwidth in the rumor, the actual band that supposedly was going to go into the new iPhone was not Iridium's anyway. It was Globalstar's, though. Turns out it was a big let down.

There's nothing in the iPhone that is satellite communications specific. They mentioned none of that in their presentation yesterday. A better chip, a better this, a better that, a much higher price for the pro version, the iPhone 13 Pro. So we're going to have to wait on that, but it doesn't mean that it's not coming down the pipe. We've got a company in Catalyst Trader called ASTS. They seem to have perfected a cell phone tower in the sky that will be able to bring 5G or 4G-like speeds to any phone on the face of the earth, including your existing phone without any modification. Whether you have a Samsung, an Apple, whatever it is, you'll be able to connect to that. And they've already signed deals with Sprint and American Tower in the United States. So don't quote me on that. I don't remember if it's Sprint. It could be Sprint. I think it's Sprint. So Sprint, once they get these satellites up in space, you will have AppleFi to your Apple and to your non-Apple phone. So that's coming down the way, even if Apple isn't actually building any functionality into its phone.

Addison:

Well, that was kind of disappointing. When I was looking at them, I was like, "That was just a scheduled marketing ploy."

Ray:

Yeah.

Addison:

Really. I mean, it's almost like they're selling cameras instead of phones. Every time they release a new one, it's all about the lenses and... which is interesting in and of itself, but it's not a huge improvement over the 12. And it took me a long time. I had my 8 forever and I just got the 12 recently.

Ray:

I just got to 12. I finally went to Apple for the first time ever.

Addison:

Oh yeah?

Ray:

I had Samsung... What, 9 I think? Galaxy 9, S9 and cracked the screen. I said "All right. I'll switch to Apple." My wife's an Apple person all the way. So I switched to Apple. That said, Qualcomm is supposedly, in a couple years, their top end chip that's going to support this frequency band that could get you satellite communications with Globalstar and so on. So we'll see what happens with that.

Addison:

Tell me about the metaverse.

Ray:

The metaverse is an idea that we're working on right now. We don't have any published picks in it, but if you look at our portfolio and Technology Profits Confidential, if you've bought some of those plays, you already owned metaverse plays. So what is the metaverse? So the term is a sci-fi term. It comes from the science fiction author, Neal Stephenson. He wrote Cryptonomicon, Snow Crash. Yeah, it actually comes from Snow Crash.

So metaverse is the new buzzword, it's the latest thing. We've actually been writing about the metaverse for years without using that name. It just never caught on. So it's augmented reality, virtual reality, virtual worlds. We're going to be living in these virtual worlds and we are, to a certain degree right now in the 2-D fashion, you and I are having a virtual interview here even though we're a thousand miles away from each other. But it's going to go to a much richer and deeper level of realism where you might be a virtual version of you, you might be sitting here in my office, or I might be sitting there in your home. So it's something I've been writing about specifically, at least since 2015.

And it's coming along. The thing is the base technology to make it possible has to really get better. Realism, all that stuff has to improve. Everybody's working on it. So Microsoft is the portfolio. It's going to require massive graphics processing capabilities. We have Nvidia in the portfolio. It's going to require the world's greatest chips. We've got Taiwan Semiconductor, the world's greatest chip maker in the portfolio with their four nanometer process, which is what they use in the iPhones. And we've got several other companies. So there's the hardware side and there's the software side, and there's different ways to play it. And Apple is supposed to be working on Apple Glasses where you'll have an augmented experience. You've got Microsoft working on its Halo. I tested a developer version of Halo I'm going to say four years ago, five years ago, maybe four years ago. Blew me away. Okay? Absolutely blew me away. And it's only going to get better. So they're trying, but they wanted something small. Remember, nobody wants to have a huge pair of goggles on their head. Imagine something like this, like your glasses.

Addison:

Walking around with binoculars, right?

Ray:

Yeah. A nice pair of Ray-Bans that you can put on and have this incredible experience. Imagine right now, instead of this one monitor you have in front of you, you could have four. You got three virtual monitors here on your right, okay? And they're just hovering in the air and they're as clear as the monitor you're looking at. They're just in your lenses. Things like that.

Addison:

Doesn't seem like it's far, far away. And I like this idea because it captures the imagination. And once you cross the tipping point where people accept it, they become fads really quickly. People love gadgets.

Ray:

Oh and I predict.

Addison:

So positioned properly in the investments before that tipping point, you can pretty well, very quickly. Anybody that was in Apple before the first iPhone came out.

Ray:

Did very well.

Addison:

Yeah.

Ray:

So Apple's working on it, Microsoft, Google, so everybody knows it's coming. Everybody wants to be their big time when it finally hits.

Addison:

Yeah. Tell me about Joby Aviation. I was looking at some of the pictures of the flying taxi. They're already using them. I think they're still in beta testing, some of the different models, but Joby is right on the forefront of that.

Ray:

So Joby Aviation, there's a number of companies trying to do what they're doing. I think they're probably best of class. And certainly they're the only one that's listed on public markets right now. It's another company called Blade, but they're working with helicopters. They do want to go to this e-vertical takeoff for landing, eVTOL model in the future. So Joby Aviation has developed a eVTOL electric vertical takeoff for landing aircraft. Very sleek, beautiful looking aircraft that carries four passengers and one pilot. Has 250 miles of range, extremely safe, but an incredible amount of redundancy built into this thing. It's got four propellers, rotors, propellers, whatever you want to call them. One of them can fail and the thing can still land safely. Each motor for each propeller has two power converters. So one can fail and the other one will still work fine, supplying all the electricity the electric propeller needs.

It's got four batteries built into it. One battery fails, you just make an emergency landing, or you maybe even have still enough range to land at your destination. So they've really thought this through. The Air Force loves what they're doing. The Air Force has worked with them. It's already cleared to fly. The Air Force has cleared it. The Air Force would love the short range vertical takeoff for landing craft for obvious reasons. It's quite a capability. I mean, remember everything, they invested in the Osprey for example. And Joby's working with the FAA to get type certification so this thing can go into commercialization stage.

Addison:

Yes. The thing that kind of made it real for me is the lead to the article in the issue describing a development of homes that have hangers attached to them and people can taxi out.

Ray:

Yeah, we have that here.

Addison:

Yeah. So it just makes it more real to me. I'm thinking about flying taxis. I have a hard time wrapping my head around it, but there are already people that fly small planes and have them housed right at their house. It's just a short leap from that idea to having it more readily available. I do think that. I'm curious to get your opinion on it. When you learn how to drive, you get a license and you get it from the state and... Cars are dangerous. A lot of people get in accidents every year. Adding an element where people are actually flying around. It's like The Fifth Element, that Luc Besson sci-fi movie, which is one of my favorites. What has to happen in order for it to become adopted on a regular scale? People are still afraid of packages being delivered by drones.

Ray:

There's a number of pieces that need to fall into place. So they've got the basic plane. The design is basically frozen or almost frozen at this point. The craft itself has autonomous technology so that the pilot of a standard airplane can get checked out on this thing and be able to fly without having to get some separate certification. If you're an airplane pilot, your helicopter license is a completely different license. They're not going to have to do that. The automation built into the plane will make it supposedly much safer than other kinds of aircraft. Of course, there's all this redundancy built in that I already mentioned. The other feature that it's got going forward is as this technology evolves, maybe by 2030, which is what they've talked about, they'll be able to have fully autonomous aircraft. So imagine, we want to go to wine country. We land in San Francisco SFO, we hop on a Joby and 20 minutes later, we're in Napa without having to fight all that traffic. And the cost per mile is actually really low. According to their numbers and their estimates, it's going to be super cheap. It's not going to be as cheap as an Uber, but it's going to be cheap. And Uber actually is part of this whole thing. You're going to be able to call one on your Uber app. Uber was working on air taxis and they sold all their air taxi technology to Joby. So all that software stuff comes from Uber, which, I'd say they know how to do this kind of software. They've done pretty well with what they've got.

They sold it to Joby, Uber's going to be part of this, and then you got to get the infrastructure in place, right? Where are we going to take off? Where are we going to land? Air terminals, where are they going to be? So there's the infrastructure side. The big thing right now is the FAA certification, which should be, I think, maybe by 2023, and then mass production, and then target markets. They want to come to Miami. Fly into Miami, let's go to South Beach. We're there in ten minutes, five minutes, real quick, because you're going 150, 200 miles an hour. You're flying over all that congestion. From the city planner perspective, it should help relieve a little bit of congestion for the troglodytes down below, you know what I mean? With people going up, like the Jetsons, going from one place to the other, the Flintstones below, the Jetsons above. This iMobility thing is a big investment theme. Joby's the only pure play right now. I think they're probably the most advanced company in terms of getting to market, and I think that introduces some scarcity into Joby stock, which I hope, over time, will bid it up to stratosphere heights, and then we can exit with a nice fat profit like we did with Virgin Galactic.

Addison:

Yeah, it seems like this would be a good time to get in, where it's relatively unknown, and then after a few test flights and it makes it onto the news, and the headline that you used was Air Uber. As soon as that hits the headlines, I think Joby's going to do nicely. You told me that you were really excited about a particular company, and I cut you off beforehand because I wanted to reserve the excitement for this interview, so let me have it.

Ray:

All right. This one's mind blowing. So you mentioned you talked to, you said the CEO of Cybin and he's from Johns Hopkins. When it comes to psychedelics, Johns Hopkins is the premier research institute in the United States. Well, as it just so happens, I spent several hours talking to a chief scientific officer of a different company, and he was director of the ketamine research center at Johns Hopkins where they do this kind of research, and he's working on something completely different. Man, where do I start with this? So his name is Adam Kaplan, and the company is MYMD Pharmaceuticals Inc (MYMD) and they're now in Catalyst Trader. If you want a little bit more color straight from the horse's mouth, they presented it at HC Wainwright on Monday, and that webcast is still available if you want to look up the press release.

But just to give my own rundown on it, and they've got a couple of compounds. I'm just going to talk about MYMD right now. It's a tobacco alkaloid derivative. It's been modified in certain ways and it just so happens to be a powerful TNF alpha inhibitor. Now, what does this mean? So, TNF alpha is one of these master inflammatory cytokines that you have in the body, and the best selling, most successful drugs in history are TNF alpha blockers. It did more than $20 billion in 2019 or 2020. $20 billion drug and it blocks TNF alpha. It actually was first approved in 2002. It was the first antibody therapeutic approved by the FDA, and it blocks TNF alpha. It was approved for rheumatoid arthritis. TNF alpha is involved in all kinds of inflammatory autoimmune conditions.

The developers of Humira have been able to get approval after approval after approval for Crohn's disease and this and that. $20 billion a year drug. And if you add the couple of others that have come on the market since then, like Enbrel, actually, there's $40 billion a year in TNF alpha blocker sales. It's just a mind blowing market. It's huge, but they all have the same problem. They work by blocking TNF alpha directly, and that's very problematic because TNF alpha isn't there for nothing. When you get an infection or an injury, your TNF alpha amps up to deal with that. It amps up the inflammatory response, it starts the cytokine storm, inflammatory cascade, telling disease cells to kill themselves, so people that are on these TNF alpha blockers, they're at greater risk of certain kinds of cancer because there's an inflammatory component to that, and they're at greater risk of infection, so it's a major downside.

The other downside for the TNF alpha blockers on the market now is that they don't cross the blood brain barrier, so you've got all these inflammatory conditions like Alzheimer's, and there's a very, very strong correlation between TNF alpha levels and depression, but none of these drugs cross the blood brain barrier to lower your TNF alpha levels and lower inflammation in your brain. Here comes MYMD1, the small molecule derived from a tobacco alkaloid that crosses the blood brain barrier easily and lowers inflammation in those tissues. And it's been studied, and they're prepping it to, first of all, this drug has other properties.

They did a study on mice. It hasn't been published yet. The study was done at Johns Hopkins. They had three groups of mice. They had one receiving MYMD one. They had one receiving rapamycin, which is a known life extension drug, and they tested it, another group of mice on Rapamycin and Metformin. These are known already to work on mice and extend their lifespans. They took 19-month-old mice, which is the equivalent of 58 human years, and they had a group on each, and the ones on these known life extension molecules compounds died off pretty fast over the next several months, they went to the human equivalent of 85 years. The MYMD group shows little indication of death. Very few mice died. I'm not going to say it's an immortality drug, but just think of the potential.

Because there's a huge inflammatory component in aging. They call it inflammaging. Years ago, there was a Time magazine with a cover, 'inflammaging phenomenon," how your immune system changes as you age. It ages, you get this background inflammation going on, you get these autoimmune diseases, rheumatoid arthritis. There's a major involvement with the development of cancer, which is why cancers are generally much more common in older people. I believe this molecule this company has could become a competitor in this 40 billion market. Plus, it's shown that it's very safe so far. And it could become a competitor and new inflammatory indications that nobody is in touch. They're going into clinical trial now, phase two, in COVID 19 depression. There's a huge TNF alpha component there. As you know, if people have bad COVID 19, there's a runaway inflammatory response, which is what kills a lot of people. It's called the cytokine storm. They're going into a clinical trial for that.

They're going to go into clinical trials for sarcopenia. Sarcopenia is muscle wasting. When you get older, your muscles start to waste away. There's a big TNF alpha component in that, and you get frail. Older people are frail. In this mouse study that I just told you about, I know it sounds hilarious, but they did a grip test on the mice and the ones on MYMD retained their grip strength, which means they retained muscle mass, which means there's an application for sarcopenia in older people. I could talk about it for a while, but I'll be writing a lot about it in Catalyst Trader.

Addison:

Can we go back to the cytokine storm?

Ray:

Yeah.

Addison:

In one of our conversations about the COVID virus, you went in depth about how it causes inflammation in your major organs, and then it all kicks in at once, and then the body starts attacking itself, and that's what causes the inflammation. This MYMD has shown, at least in mice, that it can head off the inflammation that is the result of a cytokine storm.

Ray:

Right.

Addison:

After you tested it with mice, what happens next? Where does it go from there? It starts human trials, right?

Ray:

They're talking about launching phase twos here in the fourth quarter. Now, I know they've run phase one and data hasn't been released. What normally happens is you get to phase one data before you go to phase two.

Addison:

He wants a quicker phase two.

Ray:

The phase one trial was in healthy volunteers and they did different dose levels. So if we get a phase one result, and obviously, they think the data was probably pretty good or they wouldn't be launching a phase two or talking about it, so I expect when phase one comes out, you're going to see some good data. You're going to see knockdowns on TNF alpha levels. And the most beautiful thing to see would be dose dependent knockdown. That would be really nice to see. The nice thing about this drug is it works upstream of TNF alpha, and doesn't block it directly. So the adaptive inflammatory response of things like infection or mutant cancerous cells is not affected like it is with Humira, so it's potentially a much safer drug. Like I said, it crosses the blood brain barrier, so there are a lot of indications there. There's a lot of evidence that Alzheimer's is an immunometabolic condition. It's not the plaques in your brain that are killing you, it's something else. It's an inflammatory reaction in your brain. They haven't talked about that, and I'm just speculating, but I'm very excited about what this drug could do.

Addison:

And right now, we can get in the stock?

Ray:

Get in? Yes. It's in our portfolio.

Addison:

Catalyst Trader.

Ray:

In Catalyst Trader.

Addison:

All right, Ray, it's always good to talk to you. I feel like I learn at least enough to make myself dangerous every time I talk to you.

Ray:

All right.

Addison:

All right, looking forward to talking to you again in your next issue of Catalyst Trader.

Ray:

Thank you. Talk to you soon, Addison.

Addison:

All right. Thanks.

Ray:

Bye-bye.

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